[plasticman]

I would like to raise the population in sfx/world/containers. B)

While I am beginning to get used to it, I still think it is confusing to hear the footlockers open with the same sound like the doors. Can be mistaken for a guard entering the door you just closed behind you. (Yes, this made me jump a few times.)

I spent a few days with recording, post processing and managed to get things working in game. Here is a sample of my WIP:

snd_containers.pk4 (should install like any FM, links to uploaded.to)

Please note this is not meant to be final. I am not happy with the timing yet and overall there will be more fitting sounds for the wooden chest.

My overambitious plan is to provide six soundshaders for each chest in prefabs/containers:

- one for snd_open
- one for snd_close
- four for snd_move:

a. a very moderate non squeeky one, short so it fits a fast moving lid (< 1s)
b. a moderate one, non squeeky, slow moving lid (> 1s)
c. like a. but squeeky
d. like b. but squeeky

To give it some variety I am aiming for 8 samples per shader (any reasons to have more or less?). This would be four times (footlocker, wooden chest, old wooden chest, metal chest), so I will have 24 different sets a 8 samples. Maybe I skip some movement sounds, the old chest should always be squeeky.

Please let me know if I am on the right track here. I am open for any suggestions.

A few questions that occured to me so far:

What about the "description"? At the moment I cannot see descriptions in DR while lines like "Made by XY" are not that descriptive anyways. Can I has something like

ye_olde_footlocker_open
{
	description "snd_open for ye olde footlocker. Don't ever use as a door sound or your map will break."
	no_dups
	minDistance	0
		maxDistance	24
		volume	-4

sound/sfx/world/containers/ye_olde_01.ogg
[...]
}

...? With the description visible in DR? Needless to say this is not essential. ^_^

Where can I learn more about keywords in soundshaders in general?

How do I find out which sound events are supported by an entity? I read about snd_move here in the forum, but I can not see it in the inherited properties.

Comments welcome. :rolleyes:

[aidakeeley]

Excellent! I hope it gets a smooth ride in to 1.04...

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Can be mistaken for a guard entering the door you just closed behind you. (Yes, this made me jump a few times.)

Me too.

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Having trouble at the moment with the ul.to thing, though

ETA:

No longer having trouble with the ul.to thing...

ETA2:

Okay. Heard them. Liked them. The only criticism I could possibly put forth is maybe a bit too squeaky, but we gotta hear something so not really anything but a criticism in search of a thing to criticize... I appreciate the effort and the handling of a problem that, as I said, I too had been bugged by. :)

This post has been edited by aidakeeley: 24 July 2010 - 03:25 PM

[Sotha]

The more sounds the mappers have the more immersive the maps will be soundwise.

I tested the sounds and I'll put my impressions here in the order I experienced them:

• After opening the default box the new box sounded nicely refreshing. I felt that the new sound is what these boxes really should sound like. I felt was is a top notch sound.
• I opened and closed both of the chests and listened some more.
• The creaking, while it sounded good the first time, started to somehow bug me when I turned the lid a few times. I realized that not all chests in the world have creaky lids.. If this sound is to replace the default one, the creaking should be made more quiet. OR maybe making two sounds, one without the creaking and other with it. The mappers could then choose to put a creaky lid every now and then. But the default sound for a box really would need to sound.. well, default, like the average of all box lids, and in my mind I cannot see the default box lid to creak so loudly.
• The sound otherwise beats the default sound, but you really need to do something about the creaking. The opening sound before the creaking and the closing THUNK are very good.

I hope this helps! I'll gladly test new revisions.

[plasticman]

Sotha, on 24 July 2010 - 10:58 PM, said:

I realized that not all chests in the world have creaky lids..

No? :unsure: -- I haven't seen any lubricant in the mod ...

:D

Think of it as a placeholder for any move sounds. I hope the prefabs will eventually default to a very subtle non sqeeky move sound.

[Springheel]

Thanks for taking this on. Let me know when you're happy with the results and I'll make sure they get added to the developer build.

[Baddcog]

I haven't listened but I'll take Sotha's word they sound good ;)

I was just posting the other day saying how much I wanted this, so GOOD TIMING!!!

I agree that a squeaky alternative would be good, especially for rusty old chests in a cave, ruins, etc... But an acception, not the rule. We do have on 'old' chest that might be good to have squeaks on as a default.

[Sotha]

Baddcog, on 25 July 2010 - 02:57 AM, said:

I haven't listened but I'll take Sotha's word they sound good ;)

No no no! :o Don't take my word for it, I've no qualifications for sound evaluation. :)

We need more opinions. Test the sounds, it's really easy, just install the linked test FM and fire it up as usual.

[Baddcog]

Ok Ok, I dled it. I know you're still working... just my thoughts..

I think the squeak is fine for something old and rusty.

I guess it's hard to think of how a sound should be for something that probably really doesn't make alot of sound anyway. But maybe they could all squeak, but just at about 1/3 of the volume (leave the rusty one loud).
That way you can 'hear' it open, but it's very minimal. They did have oil back then... I'll make an oil can one of these days.

What I didn't like was the sound that went along with the sqeauk on open. Sounded like a wood drawer opening fast and hard to me. In fact I don't think there should be a sound there, the chest isn't going to 'clunk' when you raise the lid. Maybe when the lid finished moving, but not at the start.

I thought the close clunk sounded good for a wood chest, but maybe for those chests and the all metal one it would be nice to have a metallic clunk (it's metal pieces hitting each other.) But maybe it was a little slow/long. Seems a bit unatural.

Might also be nice to have an even quieter version of wood chest for small jewelry boxes. They'd make VERY little noise.

[plasticman]

Baddcog, on 25 July 2010 - 06:27 PM, said:

What I didn't like was the sound that went along with the sqeauk on open. Sounded like a wood drawer opening fast and hard to me. In fact I don't think there should be a sound there, the chest isn't going to 'clunk' when you raise the lid. Maybe when the lid finished moving, but not at the start.

As far as I know we don't have a trigger at the end of the move. Correct me if there are more options than snd_open, snd_close and snd_move, because that's the scheme I'm currently working in.

You are right, the models in game look like there should be no opening sound. I also checked on some containers in real life, most of them are rather quiet. But would that be appropriate in the mod? -- I don't think so. These containers are a vital part of the thief-like gameplay, people spend time on picking the lock or searching for a key and should be rewarded with a cool sound when they finally open it. :)

The "drawer" sound: it will get toned down if I decide to keep it at all.

Thanks for your input!

[Baddcog]

You're welcome.

I do believe snd_close plays when it comes to a close, not when it starts to close. That's when the doors clunk.

It's the starting to close sound that people want (so doors can scrape while opening AND closing)

I just think maybe a really toned down squeak on the way up for most chests would be best. As close to realism as possible, with 'slight' exceptions to the rule to make it a more lively experience. So even just a hint of noise will make it feel alive, whereas a weird clunk on open, or annoying loud squeak aren't optimial IMO.